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I realize this forum is primarily for those of us who are fed-up with FeeBay and PrayPal, but I am asking and venting about a CL issue.

A customer purchased items from the company I work for (small 3 person operation) with what has turned out to be a bad check. Since this was an in-person transaction, waiting for the check to clear wasn't an option.

3 days ago, in tracking this person down, we find this ad in CL. One of the photos shows clearly our (stolen) product.

We called the local police first (re: bad check and items being sold) and were referred to small claims court for the check, and the Gardner, KS police for the items. Called Gardner, KS police and they were very helpful - but they were limited on what they could do at this point - but that's not to say they would not stop in during the sale (wink wink).

I placed a warning post, only to discover you can't do that on CL... it was taken down. I placed a fake garage sale ad (kinda comical in a way)... it was taken down. Turns out, if you see an ad in CL with your stolen items in it - tough. Too bad. They won't take it down (I tried that option first before resorting to being a, uh, "Richard"). Meanwhile, as I type this, hundreds of dollars worth of items are being offered to the public that were paid for with a bad check. I think CL is great overall, and sure can appreciate that it is free for listing items and sales, but something isn't something wrong with this picture???

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why not pull a OJ Simpson Heist on the seller?

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We thought about it seriously! Catch is we are in Indiana and the scumbags are in Kansas. Just not enough time to hop aboard a big bird and head out to crash the party.

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Why did you accept a check in the first place? That buyer didn't have "cash" on hand? ATMs are everywhere.

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These are scrapbook items that were sold at a scrapbook convention in Kansas City, that our company was at as a vendor. We accept checks with proper ID. We have no doubt we can collect on the bad check, but it sure roasts one's nuts (bad pun ) to see your product in two listings on CL (yes, I found they have posted 3 listings, each with different photos, for this sale). This is something that can be flagged, but geez, the sale is on NOW.

I hope it rains on their sale!

PS I have run screen prints of the CL ads with our product shown.

Message edited by: thekid72 on 2008-11-22 11:19:35 CST
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Have you called the person who gave you a bad check? I sell jewelry at jewelry shows also and we always prefer credit cards over checks. If they do insist on paying with a check, proper ID, like in your case is always mandatory but we always request a phone number on the check. (But if they're out to scam you, that's a totally different story.) We don't take checks under $100 because in order to be collectible by debt collectors, I believe they must be over $100.

Contact that person through CL if possible and confront saying you've already filed a Police Report and Small Claims Court. I hope everything works out for you.

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I don't know the dollar amount, but if it is under $400 or so, law enforcement, credit card companies, etc.. usually don't get to involved, it cost them more to investigate it than the claim is worth, and the crooks know it, had a similar situation with my mother, as she lay dieing in a hospital bed, someone stole her CC number and charged $240 on her card to a cell phone store in AZ,
credit card company and law enforcement did nothing !

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Indeed we've contacted the buyer about the bad check, who seems to be very "forgetful" and says they will take care of it right away. Yeah, and I've seen pink cows jump over the moon!

Dang, I am surprised to hear about the CC company not doing anything about a stolen card situation given the circumstances.

BTW the owed amount is ~$375. Not the end of the world, but the past few shows have been terrible as people cut way back on spending. Sales are in the gutter.

Message edited by: thekid72 on 2008-11-22 14:59:26 CST
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get in touch with trollhunters, they are very helpful

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thekid72 said:Indeed we've contacted the buyer about the bad check, who seems to be very "forgetful" and says they will take care of it right away. Yeah, and I've seen pink cows jump over the moon!

Dang, I am surprised to hear about the CC company not doing anything about a stolen card situation given the circumstances.

BTW the owed amount is ~$375. Not the end of the world, but the past few shows have been terrible as people cut way back on spending. Sales are in the gutter.

$375 is a lot of money to me, it is owed to you, that's the bottom line, when you say a bad check do you mean forgery or insufficient funds ? if it is insufficient funds, then small claims may be a way to do it,(again if it was I/F then they know they won't get put in jail for that) if it was forgery that is a whole different ballgame.

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If NSF keep in touch with the bank the check is from. (They won't tell you the amount in the account, but if less that $375 they will tell you there are not funds to cover the check.) If/when the account balance is over $375 cash it quickly again. We get 2-3 NSF a year, and this works very well for us. We have always gotten to the funds in the account the 2nd time around, but it may be possible to get hit with a second NSF fee.
Good luck!

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While trying to get your stuff back you and some friends/coworkers can play CL vigilantes. Get enough people to flag the ads and down they come. The flags should be done from different IP addresses, so work, home, library, starbucks, McDs, etc. Won't prevent the sale, just make it harder for them and maybe give you a little satisfaction when the post comes down. They will of course repost, so you have to lather, rinse, repeat.

Technically that's against the rules of CL, but so is the sale of stolen property.

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Post the CL ads, we will take care of it

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NSF.

well not sure about your area but in mine the local prosecutor locks them up..

have you tried that avenue?

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couponjohn said:NSF.

well not sure about your area but in mine the local prosecutor locks them up..

have you tried that avenue?

They lock them up for NSF ?

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carabuser said:couponjohn said:NSF.

well not sure about your area but in mine the local prosecutor locks them up..

have you tried that avenue?


They lock them up for NSF ?

If they can prove they wrote a bad check knowing they didnt have enough funds then its considered bad,

MUST NOT BE A ACCOUNTING error
BAD check they do it all the time...Against the law...

here one instance..I had some locked up for a bad check for a motorcycle years ago

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20081110172725AAN74pA

Message edited by: couponjohn on 2008-11-23 17:33:25 CST
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Well the garage sale is over, and I have not heard back from the jackarse that ran the sale. I do have screenshots of the listings as proof of the postings. The check can't be deposited again even if it was good since it's been run through twice.

We are giving them a chance to pay via certified funds - then we turn to small claims court for treble damages.

I think the jackarse I had communication with yesterday did not think I was serious about the issue - that I was pulling a prank on them. When that summons arrives, that should adjust their attitude

Good idea on the laptop at wifi hot spots!!!

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you may want to call your local prosecutors office and see if they can assist you.

I found them to be very helpful in this especially when they have a complaint from 2 or more from the same person.

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don't forget...this is across state lines...


not a pretty thing if your prosecuter will go after them

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