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jackcrawfish,
I assumme you're closing and then re-applying Bank Atlantic Biz so you can get the intro APR again, is this right? Do you foresee any potential adverse effects with this strategy ? e.g: maybe drop in credit score due to account closure, or Bank Atlantic might see that you've just closed an account and thus deny you from opening a new one?

I thought about doing the same with Advanta & Bank Atlantic, but wasn't sure if this is a good move.


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I assumme you're closing and then re-applying Bank Atlantic Biz so you can get the intro APR again, is this right?Yes. per OP:I will be closing my existing Barclays BankAtlantic Business card very soon.Do you foresee any potential adverse effects with this strategy ? e.g: maybe drop in credit score due to account closureApparently, as long as the balance is $0 when closing, this particular business account will NOT report to any bureau; NO EXPECTED ADVERSE EFFECTS.or Bank Atlantic might see that you've just closed an account and thus deny you from opening a new one?time will tell...

Bank Atlantic CLI related: Online CLI = Hard pull
Bank Atlantic CLI related (Win333): freeze TU / EX - Barclays pulled EQ


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What's the thought process behind considering the unsolicited WAMU ESPN card? I noticed your wife received a very low CL and, other than 2ndCor, I haven't seen anyone receive anything much over a ~$2k CL. Add the points that CLR isn't likely and the term is only 6 months, and I'm wondering if it's worth it.

BTW, I tried your link for that card and it came back with "The offer you selected is no longer available."


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What's the thought process behind considering the unsolicited WAMU ESPN card? I noticed your wife received a very low CL and, other than 2ndCor, I haven't seen anyone receive anything much over a ~$2k CL. Add the points that CLR isn't likely and the term is only 6 months, and I'm wondering if it's worth it.

BTW, I tried your link for that card and it came back with "The offer you selected is no longer available."
Thanks for the heads up on the link. I loved your delivery ("what's the thought process" aka "what are you thinking!?"

True - my wife only got 2k. I was hoping to consolidate my 9k WAMU card to the ESPN before you ruined my fun

Seriously I can't believe I didn't pay attention to the reallocation thread. I guess I'll be a 2008 data point for WAMU reallocation (especially since they pull TU in my area - ok they pulled TU for my wife).

We'll see how it goes... thanks for the interest... I'll look for another link to the offer...


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It wasn't so much "what are you thinking" vs. "what am I missing?" I know you're all over the A0R threads and I wondered if you'd seen something that I missed. I also wanted to point out the CLR aspect (or lack thereof) in case you hadn't noticed it.

Good luck!


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Jackcrawfish:

I am curious to see your results in regards to closing Bank Atlantic then reapplying.

When do you plan on doing this? As I will be watching your results very closely to prepare for my October AOR2.0.


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Also with experian frozen, were there any banks or issuers that denied you because of this?

I would love to freeze my Experian since i already have 12 inquiries.

ETA: I see BOA likes to use EX so I guess I will have to unfreeze EX. But when you do you un freeze EX in the AOR process?


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DjPiLL said:Jackcrawfish:

I am curious to see your results in regards to closing Bank Atlantic then reapplying.

When do you plan on doing this? As I will be watching your results very closely to prepare for my October AOR2.0.
Thanks for your interest... I hope I can be a sucessful data point for all of you current Barclay's Business card holders. Fortunately for the current Bank Atlantic cardholders planning an October, November or December AOR, you will be able to close and open a second Bank Atlantic card (see 3rd section below for details).

PAYMENT DETAILS
I logged in this morning and made a $10k payment from one of my linked checking accounts. The balance after first payment = $15,057. I "phone-paid" free of charge the remaining balance using Citi checking. I wanted to ZERO my balance in the slim chance closing the business card with a balance would somehow flip a "report-to-bureau-switch" (that's what one CSR told me on 8/8/2008).

CLOSURE NOTE:
Immediately after closing, my online session was terminated and online payments are not an option after closure. I called to make payment using my Citi checking account. Rep told me it costs $15 to make pmt with rep and free via the voice response unit for the company account. Furthermore, said that the maximum payment amount per day is $15,000 in total. I hung up called again to make said VRU payment...(make sure to specify that you'd like information for the company account, otherwise the limit per day is $500).

REOPEN NOTE:
While the rep from 8/8/2008 told me I could re-apply 2-4 weeks after closing my account, the news seemed too good to be true... The rep I spoke with this morning advised me I cannot open ANY Barclay's Business accounts under same SSN# within 60 days of today's closure date.. This makes my Bank Atlantic application date 10/11/2008 (10/12 just to be safe).

So what should I do? What does the community think? Should I delay this full AOR until Oct 12th or pull trigger about Sept 1st as planned?


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Tough call on that Bank Atlantic. If you close and reapply in the short time frame, maybe two weeks, you give all your fellow FW buddies excellent data points.

But hey I am biased sitting on the sidelines here. I would do what's best for you.


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DjPiLL said:Also with experian frozen, were there any banks or issuers that denied you because of this?

I would love to freeze my Experian since i already have 12 inquiries.

ETA: I see BOA likes to use EX so I guess I will have to unfreeze EX. But when you do you un freeze EX in the AOR process?
As you pointed out, BOA denies for lack of credit report access. So does AMEX and Wells Fargo. My wife's experience follows for reference.

ISSUER                Term  Rate Fee Apply A/D Limit Bureau NOTE  
 AMEX/BLUE             99    5%  99  Link   D  00000   EX   Due to the freeze you placed on your credit file, we were
                                                            unable to obtain sufficient credit information to process
                                                            your application
 
 AMEX CLEAR            ............  Link   D  00000   EX   Due to the freeze you placed on your credit file, we were
                                                            unable to obtain sufficient credit information to process
                                                            your application
 
 AMEX HILTON           ............  Link   D  00000   EX   Due to the freeze you placed on your credit file, we were
                                                            unable to obtain sufficient credit information to process
                                                            your application
 
 BOA PlatPlus          12    0%   0  Link   D  00000   EX   unable to obtain credit report
 
 BOA NEA Card          12    0%  30  Link   D  00000   EX   unable to obtain credit report
 
 Wells Fargo            9    0%  75  LgdIn  D  00000   EX   We obtained a report which contained a "security freeze."
                                                            We are unable to contimue processing your application

As for your timing question to unfreeze??? I am of the opinion that unfreezing 5 days following an AOR is a good rule of thumb. My thinking is that most apps have completed their reviews of TU, EQ and EX(frozen). You want to be able to provide the likes of BOA, American Express and Wells Fargo a clean Experian file with no new tradelines resulting from your 5 day old AOR**

**One lesson I've learned from placing a freeze at Experian: To provide AMEX, BOA and/or Wells Fargo rights to view your credit file, you must provide your pin number to them. NOTE: Place your freeze on Experian at least 2 weeks before you commence AOR. While the freeze takes effect immediately at Experian, receiving your pin takes 2 weeks according to bureau-bodacious Win333.

Our family freeze experience mirrors that of Win333's... our freeze was placed 7/29/2008 and through 8/11/2008 we both had not received our pin numbers (key to unlock credit file). We tried to get our pin sooner by clicking "forgot my pin." Results here in theman's thread.

Win333's frozen AOR thread
Eugene in Oct 2007


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jackcrawfish said:As for your timing question to unfreeze??? I am of the opinion that unfreezing 5 days following an AOR is a good rule of thumb. My thinking is that most apps have completed their reviews of TU, EQ and EX(frozen). You want to be able to provide the likes of BOA, American Express and Wells Fargo a clean Experian file with no new tradelines resulting from your 5 day old AOR**

**One lesson I've learned from placing a freeze at Experian: To provide AMEX, BOA and/or Wells Fargo rights to view your credit file, you must provide your pin number to them. NOTE: Place your freeze on Experian at least 2 weeks before you commence AOR. While the freeze takes effect immediately at Experian, receiving your pin takes 2 weeks according to bureau-bodacious Win333.

Our family freeze experience mirrors that of Win333's... our freeze was placed 7/29/2008 and through 8/11/2008 we both had not received our pin numbers (key to unlock credit file). We tried to get our pin sooner by clicking "forgot my pin." Results here in theman's thread.

Win333's frozen AOR thread
Eugene in Oct 2007


I have a question. You mention a timeframe to unfreeze, but then you mention a pin. You say the pin is to "unlock" the credit file. Is that pin for you so you can call them up or go online and unlock it? Or do you provide this pin to the banks looking to pull?

So you are going to apply for BOA about 5 days after your AOR and after unlocking EX? No worries about applying for this card 5 days after an AOR. Won't they see all the inquiries from the AOR hitting TU and EQ?


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jackcrawfish said:
REOPEN NOTE:
While the rep from 8/8/2008 told me I could re-apply 2-4 weeks after closing my account, the news seemed too good to be true... The rep I spoke with this morning advised me I cannot open ANY Barclay's Business accounts under same SSN# within 60 days of today's closure date.. This makes my Bank Atlantic application date 10/11/2008 (10/12 just to be safe).

So what should I do? What does the community think? Should I delay this full AOR until Oct 12th or pull trigger about Sept 1st as planned?

Are you sure you're only allowed one Barclays Biz card? Why not try for that generic Barclays biz 12 month offer that popped up recently and reallocate from Bank ATL?


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DjPiLL said:jackcrawfish said:As for your timing question to unfreeze??? I am of the opinion that unfreezing 5 days following an AOR is a good rule of thumb. My thinking is that most apps have completed their reviews of TU, EQ and EX(frozen). You want to be able to provide the likes of BOA, American Express and Wells Fargo a clean Experian file with no new tradelines resulting from your 5 day old AOR**

**One lesson I've learned from placing a freeze at Experian: To provide AMEX, BOA and/or Wells Fargo rights to view your credit file, you must provide your pin number to them. NOTE: Place your freeze on Experian at least 2 weeks before you commence AOR. While the freeze takes effect immediately at Experian, receiving your pin takes 2 weeks according to bureau-bodacious Win333.

Our family freeze experience mirrors that of Win333's... our freeze was placed 7/29/2008 and through 8/11/2008 we both had not received our pin numbers (key to unlock credit file). We tried to get our pin sooner by clicking "forgot my pin." Results here in theman's thread.

Win333's frozen AOR thread
Eugene in Oct 2007
I have a question. You mention a timeframe to unfreeze, but then you mention a pin. You say the pin is to "unlock" the credit file. Is that pin for you so you can call them up or go online and unlock it? Or do you provide this pin to the banks looking to pull?
Per Experian Freeze in South Dakota:

To temporarily remove a security freeze for a period of time in order to apply for credit or for any transaction that requires that another party access your personal credit report, log on to www.experian.com/freeze or call 1 888 EXPERIAN (1 888 397 3742), then enter your identification information and PIN. The fee for temporarily removing a security freeze is $10.60, including tax.... To temporarily remove a security freeze for a specific party, provide your PIN to the party you wish to grant access to your report.So you are going to apply for BOA about 5 days after your AOR and after unlocking EX? No worries about applying for this card 5 days after an AOR. Won't they see all the inquiries from the AOR hitting TU and EQ?I am expecting them to pull EX per my wife's experience and there will not be any inquiries < 12 months on my EX report. I want to ensure they don't see 3-10 brand new tradelines on the EX report from 5-day old AOR. This is why I will not wait 30 days to provide the issuer my pin (new debt/new trades, etc).

Make sense?


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lhendricks92 said:jackcrawfish said:REOPEN NOTE:
While the rep from 8/8/2008 told me I could re-apply 2-4 weeks after closing my account, the news seemed too good to be true... The rep I spoke with this morning advised me I cannot open ANY Barclay's Business accounts under same SSN# within 60 days of today's closure date.. This makes my Bank Atlantic application date 10/11/2008 (10/12 just to be safe).

So what should I do? What does the community think? Should I delay this full AOR until Oct 12th or pull trigger about Sept 1st as planned?
Are you sure you're only allowed one Barclays Biz card? Why not try for that generic Barclays biz 12 month offer that popped up recently and reallocate from Bank ATL?
GREAT question. I failed to mention my Juniper 13 month discussion I had with the rep:

I asked her if this 60-day rule applied to ALL Barclays offers (personal and/or business). She respnonded without my specifically mentioning it, "It applies to all business cards...for example, there is a new 13 month Juniper business card available to new cardmembers - an application by you for this card would be denied if you apply before 60 days has passed"


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So wouldn't paying down then applying for the Juniper Biz card (and reallocating Bank Atlantic ---> Juniper Biz) be the best move here?


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DjPiLL said:So wouldn't paying down then applying for the Juniper Biz card (and reallocating Bank Atlantic ---> Juniper Biz) be the best move here?I failed to post that they only allow one ACTIVE business card per SSN. So to answer your question:

No, reallocation is not an option.


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DjPiLL said:So wouldn't paying down then applying for the Juniper Biz card (and reallocating Bank Atlantic ---> Juniper Biz) be the best move here?

I am all ears on this issue as well. Ordinarily I would agree with DjPiLL here but in the previous message the CSR said "available to _new_ cardmembers" which (if the CSR knows what they are talking about -- not always the case) makes me concerned that applying for the new card while keeping the B Atlantic open is futile. Somebody's gotta be the guinea pig here... I'll find out in a couple months when I pay off my B Atlantic card.

EDIT: Nevermind, Jackcrawfish beat me to it. Thanks for the info!


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I don't doubt anyone's veracity (other than the CSR) but SecondCor521 reports having 2 Bank Atlantic cards here: Text (I gotta hold out some hope)

There is no discussion of them being obtained under multiple SSN


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I would definitely call back on Bank Atlantic. Last year, and again about 2 minutes ago, I was told by CSR I could have 4 cards, one for each business.

(I think 2Cor's was one biz and one personal.)


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TyroneSchulace said:...I was told by CSR I could have 4 cards, one for each business.I closed my original Bank Atlantic card this morning so others' datapoints are welcome in this thread as to the #of Barclays's business cards one SSN can have... Anyone? anyone? Does anyone have 2 Barclay's business cards open and active?


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