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74ak said:glxpass said:Regardless, I'd still contact Advanta and ask about using TIN instead of SSN if that's what you want. It might not be possible, but never hurts to ask.
Just talked to them and they don't need TIN...have some "magic" database that will "find" my TIN...I don't believe it; and they will report this card on either personal or business report at their discretion (which most likely will be under my SSN)

Strange. All I can tell you is that my business Advanta card uses my SSN and doesn't show on my personal credit reports. I wonder if they've changed their policies in the last few months. I don't think at least for other business cards that using SSN means that it will show on your personal credit reports. If so, that would sure put a crimp in the Why you should get business credit for your AOR! thread.


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The Advanta card will not report on personal credit report. No one else's does.

However, they wanted the SSN so they could pull your personal credit report for app review purposes.

No idea on how they report to business credit services (DNB, etc).


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In case you check in before pulling the trigger:

- Principal: likely to suffer from the usual FNBO problems with the denial due to the funky ICS / ARS. I think they raise a red flag based on inquiries per ADDRESS, which kills a tag-team AOR. In any case: I suggest doing first or not at all. And possibly at least a full day before the others.

- SunTrust: $16K; the processor is (was?) Infibank, which is owned by FNBO but I did NOT have the usual FNBO problems); purchases only (at the time) but I successfully funded a new Citi savings account. (Otherwise good to reduce utilization.) More evidence in favor of SunTrust over Principal: credit report showed "NA/STI" and the printed statements are different (whereas Principal's statements look just like FNBO).

- State Farm: in one case: $9K (though pulled all 3 credit reports); in another case they pulled the 3 credit reports but lost the app; I was too busy to followup. Worth doing IMHO.

- CapOne Bus: might be worth adding; sometimes has 0% in the envelope even if not on the site! ... otherwise might be good for no-fee purchase checks (either as a BT destination or to cycle through)

- Citi Home Rebate: per the CC Issuer FAQ, I wasn't able to reallocate CL to or from that 1 year ago; no idea if that's changed. (Unlike some others, I've done other Citi reallocs in the meantime.)

UPDATE:

- no Elan? There used to be lots of banks with 0% x6, though I haven't kept up to date. (Also, I've had trouble doing BT online; sometimes the check they issued just disappears. Still worth a try.)

- GE Money had a capped offer in the envelope even though it was no longer on the site. That may be gone, but may be worth a try. If nothing else, reduces utilization.


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Thanks a lot cardjuggler for your comments. I will go through them on later today and take appropriate actions before my AOR on monday.


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I'm getting ready for my next AOR. Thanks Hindustani for a tremendous blueprint for an AOR. I really appreciate all the work you've put into documenting this.

I've consolidated a number of my cards to avoid getting rejected due to too many cards with one company (and to keep my sanity). I have an BofA Efectiva with a $54K limit and a BofA MLB card with a $12K limit. I'm planning on the NEA card, but didn't see another BofA card as profitable. Has anyone tried to get two of the exact same cards from the same issuer during the same AOR? I'm afraid BofA won't let me reallocate the $54K and the $12K to one card without income/asset verification.


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I have a BofA business platinum and a new BofA business platinum with power rewards.

I've also read where you can get 1 citi Biz card and 1 citi biz card with TY network, you may need RECON to get the 2nd but it is possable.


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tarcapone said:I'm getting ready for my next AOR. Thanks Hindustani for a tremendous blueprint for an AOR. I really appreciate all the work you've put into documenting this.

I've consolidated a number of my cards to avoid getting rejected due to too many cards with one company (and to keep my sanity). I have an BofA Efectiva with a $54K limit and a BofA MLB card with a $12K limit. I'm planning on the NEA card, but didn't see another BofA card as profitable. Has anyone tried to get two of the exact same cards from the same issuer during the same AOR? I'm afraid BofA won't let me reallocate the $54K and the $12K to one card without income/asset verification.

Don't try the exact same card in the same AOR as they will reject one application as duplicate. If they offer both visa and mc then that may be a way to go but talk to a CSR before doing it. There are some 0% APR for 6 months cards from BofA which has no BT fees.


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cardjuggler said:
- Principal: likely to suffer from the usual FNBO problems with the denial due to the funky ICS / ARS. I think they raise a red flag based on inquiries per ADDRESS, which kills a tag-team AOR. In any case: I suggest doing first or not at all. And possibly at least a full day before the others.

- SunTrust: $16K; the processor is (was?) Infibank, which is owned by FNBO but I did NOT have the usual FNBO problems); purchases only (at the time) but I successfully funded a new Citi savings account. (Otherwise good to reduce utilization.) More evidence in favor of SunTrust over Principal: credit report showed "NA/STI" and the printed statements are different (whereas Principal's statements look just like FNBO).

- Citi Home Rebate: per the CC Issuer FAQ, I wasn't able to reallocate CL to or from that 1 year ago; no idea if that's changed. (Unlike some others, I've done other Citi reallocs in the meantime.)

I applied for Principal Bank today (1 day before my AOR) per your suggestion. It was a deferred decision. I have added SunTrust to my list. Thanks for the data point.

Can somebody confirm about the Citi Home Rebate card? If realloc is not possible then I need to replace or add another citi card to the list. Any suggestions?


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I am trying to CLR to the home rebate card right now, I called yesterday (no movement yet).


I have a FNBO card from 1/2007, I did my AOR and they declined my CLI and my BIZ card, No A/A. Then I B*ed and applyed again for the Commercial card with my DnB # and was approved for 12,000 0% 12 mnths on purchase only.

I figured since people where having trouble with them I would just B* very quickly and it seems to have worked.


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Hindustani said:[I applied for Principal Bank today (1 day before my AOR) per your suggestion. It was a deferred decision. I have added SunTrust to my list. Thanks for the data point.

You may want to postpone the AOR until Tues, i.e. I'm not sure whether a non-bus-day counts. Part of the problem: they may be a "late puller". If so, perhaps CALL Principal / Infi / FNBO on Monday morning to see if you can get the app considered right away.

Another thought: split the AOR across 2 or more days so that issuers that are more sensitive to # of inquiries (generally the minors) AND that may not pull right away (e.g. may do manually later in the day) don't see all the inquiries from the majors. In fact, I just decided to start a thread on that: 5 day AOR.


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cardjuggler - Thats a good idea in general. But I pulled my report after I applied for Principal Bank card and they have already pulled my report from experian. This means I am good to go for tomorrow right?


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FNBO was very slow for me, I think it was a week or so for them to pull my report.


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win333 said:FNBO was very slow for me, I think it was a week or so for them to pull my report.

You mean the Principal Bank card? They pulled almost instantly for me.


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Hindustani said:cardjuggler - Thats a good idea in general. But I pulled my report after I applied for Principal Bank card and they have already pulled my report from experian. This means I am good to go for tomorrow right?

Maybe, maybe not. I think the ICS / ARS report is the main problem. AND/OR a second pull 3-30 days later. With 4 AORs under his belt, MikeR397 plans to wait several days ... which is probably not what you want at this point. Still might be worth a phone call if you can reach them during working hours prior to kicking off your AOR.

Or not: I don't have enough data to say what will PROBABLY work, just enough to caution that "business as usual" seems highly unlikely to work.

Have any of the recent AORs gotten a Principal card? I'm happy to be wrong.

UPDATE: did they pull as INFIBANK? That's what I saw in Sept.


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cardjuggler said:Hindustani said:cardjuggler - Thats a good idea in general. But I pulled my report after I applied for Principal Bank card and they have already pulled my report from experian. This means I am good to go for tomorrow right?

Maybe, maybe not. I think the ICS / ARS report is the main problem. AND/OR a second pull 3-30 days later. With 4 AORs under his belt, MikeR397 plans to wait several days ... which is probably not what you want at this point. Still might be worth a phone call if you can reach them during working hours prior to kicking off your AOR.

Or not: I don't have enough data to say what will PROBABLY work, just enough to caution that "business as usual" seems highly unlikely to work.

Have any of the recent AORs gotten a Principal card? I'm happy to be wrong.

Thanks for the insight. Well I have already applied for it and will go ahead with my AOR tomorrow. If I don't get this card then it is a lesson learnt as all data points were discouraging but I still went ahead and applied for this card.


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cardjuggler
UPDATE: did they pull as INFIBANK? That's what I saw in Sept.[/Q said:

Yes it is INFIBANK.


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Cards are issued by First Bankcard (a division of First National Bank of Omaha).

This is right off their website.


Did I miss something, my principal visa is issued by infibank.

I DID NOT think they were the same, am I wrong?


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win333 said:Cards are issued by First Bankcard (a division of First National Bank of Omaha).

This is right off their website.


Did I miss something, my principal visa is issued by infibank.

I DID NOT think they were the same, am I wrong?

INFIBANK is owned by FNBO.


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well this board and wikipedia are great, I stand corrected. FIA is much easier to figure out.

Now that you mention it, I think when I called PNC for app status the CSR found my FNBO card instead. I had forgoten. Thanks

I guess I've got 29,000 with them all together


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I finished the AOR this morning. I have posted the results.


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